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Regarding the "Nazarene" Posted by caf - December 14, 2002 at 0:26:07pm 1280x1024x32 - Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020314 Netscape6/6.2.2 In Reply to: Answering several posts at once... Posted by essay - December 13, 2002 at 3:06:47am:
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essay wrote: Now lets compare one of yours: Isaiah 11:1 'The royal line of David is like a tree that has been cut down; but just as new branches sprout from a stump, so a new king will arise from among David's descendants.' Several centuries later, Matthew writes: '...and made his home in a town called Nazareth. And so what the prophets had said came true: "He will be called a Nazarene."' caf -- First a comment about the choice of Bible versions before I respond to your critique on this point. I know that every translation whether ancient or modern has its limitations, certainly including the one I regularly use, the NIV. However, in Isaiah 1:11, "new branches," as rendered in the GNB is just one of the categorical reasons I could not encourage anyone to use the GNB as a general resource. The Hebrew text is singular, the Greek translation of the text is singular, and every actual translation I've seen (including the Jewish Tanakh) is singular. One branch is pictured. There is no good reason for the variation from the actual text in the GNB. The version could have been true to its own style, and more true to the text by paraphrasing "just as a new branch sprouts from a stump..." There are too many similar lapses in the GNB to be satsifactory. essay wrote: Now, caf, I really think that is 'stretching it' far more than any of allusions I provided. I understand that the Hebrew word for 'branch' is built on the consonant group NZR. And there is no question that Isaiah is referring to the promised Messiah here. But Matthew says 'prophets', plural. Which other prophet(s) made such a reference? And given that there are many hundreds of OT references to the Messiah, comprising many thousands of words, I would think that just about any town that Joseph might have chosen could very well have had a name that could be compared with some such OT quote. So, is this prophecy or coincidence? caf -- Regarding "the prophets," I thought we already had a general understanding of the fact that Isaiah is part of the category of books in the Hebrew canon called "the prophets," as in Matthew 5:17, 7:12, 11:13, 22:40, and 26:56. However, as noted below, Isaiah was not the only source Matthew, and his readers, had in mind. There is a body of prophecy under consideration. Regarding the hundreds of prophetic statements about Christ, no, not just any town in Israel would have sufficed, but yes, it is amazing, far beyond credible coincidence, how the vast array of prophetic statements come together in the person of Jesus of Nazareth. Here are the words of a few other authors on the subject: Back in the 13th century Thomas Aquinas wrote in Summa Theologica P(3)-Q(35)-A(7)-O(2), Further, it is said (Matthew 2:23) that it is written of Christ that 'He shall be called a Nazarene'; which is taken from Isaiah 11:1: 'A flower shall rise up out of his root'; for 'Nazareth' is interpreted 'a flower.' In the 19th Alfred Edersheim wrote, in The Life and Times of Jesus The Messiah, St. Matthew, indeed, summarizes the whole outward history of the life in Nazareth in one sentence. Henceforth Jesus would stand out before the Jews of His time ? and, as we know, of all times ? by the distinctive designation: 'of Nazareth,'(Notsri), Nazwrai~ov 'the Nazarene.' In the mind of a Palestinian a peculiar significance would attach to the by-Name of the Messiah, especially in its connection with the general teaching of prophetic Scripture, And here we must remember, that St. Matthew primarily addressed his Gospel to Palestinian readers, and that it is the Jewish presentation of the Messiah as meeting Jewish expectancy. In this there is nothing derogatory to the character of the Gospel, no accommodation in the sense of adaptation, since Jesus was not only the Savior of the world, but especially also the King of the Jews, and we are now considering how He would stand out before the Jewish mind. On one point all were agreed: His Name was Notsri (of Nazareth). St. Matthew proceeds to point out, how entirely this accorded with prophetic Scripture ? not, indeed, with any single prediction, but with the whole language of the prophets. From this the Jews derived not fewer than eight caf -- Some authors have also connected the name Nazarene to the separated ones of the Old Covenant, the Nazirites (see Numbers 6). In about 200 AD Tertullian wrote this: The Christ of the Creator had to be called a Nazarene according to prophecy; whence the Jews also designate us, on that very account, Nazerenes after Him. For we are they of whom it is written, "Her Nazarites were whiter than snow;" even they who were once defiled with the stains of sin, and darkened with the clouds of ignorance. But to Christ the title Nazarene was destined to become a suitable one, from the hiding-place of His infancy, for which He went down and dwelt at Nazareth, to escape from Archelaus the son of Herod. (The passage to which he referred is Lamentations 4:7.) essay wrote: Of course, Luke tells us that Nazareth was Joseph's home in the first place. caf -- Matthew doesn't tell us where Joseph's encounter with the angel of the Lord took place, when Mary was his pledged wife. He doesn't tell us the first place Mary and Joseph lived together. He does tell us Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1), no matter where Joseph and Mary had been before that, and that the family later went to Nazareth, after some uncertainly about where they should go, and there Jesus was raised (Matthew 2:21-23). Luke of course tells us the same thing about Jesus being born in Bethlehem and the family settling in Nazareth where Jesus was raised (Luke 2:4ff, 2:39). The two accounts include unique stories, and complement each other.
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